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Welcome to 2020 now we can see all data on our phones live and our tablets

< Stan would have never dreamed of such tools.

Here we show some of the water level sensors  there are a few variations contact us about your application 

Note 

there are several areas to consider 

 

1 refilling water fuel tanks auto

2 balancing 2 or more tanks water fuel levels 

3 adjust the perfect cell water level not full or empty but a 2 cm range perfect optimum water fuel  level for best  production best capacitance best result

4 resistance level sensor is not best for inside wfc cell due to the high voltages

Understanding Refilling Capacitance

I am getting around to looking deeper at the cells and their capacitance.  Up to this point I have been concentrating on the generating the signal going into the coils.  I have started trying to look at the effect of changes on the output of the coils and have reached the point where I need to have a better load on the coils.  I admit I have been avoiding this issue up to now as this is an area, I am least familiar with.  While I have looked at the tables showing resistance, inductance, and capacitance up to now I have not paid a lot of attention to them.  As I am trying to determine how to setup the voltage difference that Ronnie talks about, I want to have a capacitor or capacitor bank that in the right range to represent 10 cells.
 
I can measure the inductance of my circuit, so I know what that inductance value is, but I want the proper load,

so I see the effect of my changes.   When I look at the table showing the capacitance values, I see different numbers for the various dielectric and one for the 10 cells.  I initial thought the value for 10 cells was wrong as I had assumed

it was for air which is 2.2pF but 2.52uF it is correct for tap water.

This means there is big difference when the cell is empty and when it full.  But I think the answer is somewhere in between as water level will drop when cells start producing gas.  I have been wondering if this is one of the tuning functions for several reasons.  Puharich’s Patent talks about raising the water level in cell to until the top part of the center tube is cover (center tube lower that outer).  Then in several of Stan’s videos you see pressure being applied

to cells.  Pressure can be used to control water level.  I have also notice that in some of pictures and videos that not all the cells are at the same height which makes we wonder if that was done to change the total capacitance.
 
Ronnie also talks that initial tuning should be done in air and implies that is where cell would be operated. 

While I thought I knew the capacitance would change with dielectric level I wanted to be sure so

I search on internet and found the follow article which confirmed that assumption and in fact they use

that function in their fluid level sensors:

How does capacitive level sensing work? » Gill Sensors ...
https://www.gillsc.com/newsitem/51/how-does-capacitive-level-sensing-work-

In trying to under what value of capacitance I needed I plugged inductance and capacitance values in the resonance calculator at above reference to see what happen to frequency. 

 

For this exercise I used the capacitance value for air and set the inductance to provide a resonance frequency around 4-5khz. 

 

Which turned out to be close to what I was measuring for my VIC coils. 

Interesting when I then plugged in the value for water resonance frequency was around 38hz.

I started with 6.878H as that is what I measured at interface to cell. 

Then I plugged in frequency between 4-5khz to see what value that would give me for capacitor. 

 

As I could find a 220pH 1000v capacitor I plugged that into calculator and got 4.0915kz. 

This should let me change things in my testing to see effect of changes.

Summary 220pF and 6.878H gives Resonance at 4.0915kHz.

 

Note:

For same capacitance lowering Henry’s will increase frequency. 

I can do that by increasing gap in core.

Summary

water 2.52uF and 6.878H gives Resonance at 38.23Hz

This leads me to believe that water level in cell is critical

and cell pressure is not just a safety factor as it will also control water level. 

 

The cell then is a variable capacitor and can be adjusted by changing water level

see Gill article reference above. 

 

Gill does the reverse they use capacitance of cell to determine level of fluid. 

There sensor is calibrated to match the dielectric value of the fluid in tank.

This takes me back to one of Ronnie’s comments where he stated he did tests to determine

capacitance of cell at various levels and frequencies.

Next step: 

I am waiting for 1000v 220pF to arrive so I can see what that they do to my test setup. 

I tried 220pF cap that I have but only got 150mV of charge on cap.

To explain capacitive level sensing,

we must first understand the concept of a capacitor.

A capacitor is formed by two electrodes, electrically insulated from each other.

 

The electrodes themselves must be conductive and are typically made from metal.

They can be any shape, although two parallel plates are easiest to visualize.

Capacitors have the ability to store energy in an electric field between these electrodes when a voltage or ‘potential’ is applied to the circuit.

 

The property of capacitance relates the amount of energy stored in this field to the applied voltage or potential.

By placing non-conductive material between the electrodes, the ability for the capacitor to store energy increases and so the capacitance increases.

 

This material between the electrodes is referred to as the ‘dielectric’.

The key property of dielectric materials is the amount of charge that can be stored.

When Dealing with Stanley A Meyer Design we use the terms Voltrolysis and DBD Barrier.

As a dielectric liquid is introduced between the electrodes of the capacitor,

the capacitance changes proportionately and liquid level can be determined.

To measure variations in the capacitance, electric energy flowing into and out of the electrodes is measured as the voltage or potential is varied.

 

This flow of energy is created by connecting the electrodes to an alternating current measurement circuit.

 

The greater the energy flow to the electrodes, the greater the capacitance, meaning more dielectric between the electrodes.

For level sensor calibration,

reference measurements at empty and full tank levels must be taken.

 

Generally, the dielectric constant value of the liquid being measured is required, to enable calibration of the sensor at its ‘full’ level.

 

With the empty and full outputs set, liquid level sensing comes down to relating the sensor output to these values.

Capacitor plates can also be designed as a concentric tube and rod, with the advantage of reduced interference as well as improved mechanical stiffness and robustness, as engineered in the Gill liquid level sensors.

All signal processing is managed on-board with the fully integrated electronics. Dielectric fluctuation caused by temperature change is managed using offset values stored within the sensor memory, which are typically programmed during factory calibration at Gill Sensors.

Gill Sensors capacitive liquid level sensors are often constructed from aluminium, stainless steel or carbon fibre allowing Gill to cater for harsh applications from fuel tanks in Formula 1 race cars, to oil transmission systems in mining and industrial machinery.

I wanted to double check what I said about variable capacitors and voltage is correct,

so I looked up a couple of articles.  This is one of the references

Introducing a dielectric into a capacitor decreases the electric field, which decreases the voltage, which increases the capacitance.

 

A capacitor with a dielectric stores the same charge as one without a dielectric, but at a lower voltage.  Voltage and capacitance are inversely proportional when charge is constant.


Dielectrics – The Physics Hypertextbook

This means a cell full of water when charged will always have a lower voltage than one filled with air.  As we are not concerned about charge of the cell to get a higher voltage remove some or all the water.  Air dielectric value is 1 and water is 80.
 
I then searched on what happens when capacitor is half filled got several

answers but this one is good quick summary.

Capaciter partially filled with dielectric — Collection of Solved ...
physicstasks.eu › capaciter-partially-filled-with-dielectric

Oct 31, 2018 — Capacitor that is filled with dielectric this way can be replaced with two parallel capacitors. One will be filled with air and one will be completely filled with dielectric.

This is for a capacitor where dielectric is “perpendicular” to plates which is what we have with vertical tubes.  Other articles include all the equations for the calculation.

Removing water will lower the capacitance of cell and change its impedance.  Result will be a lower charge but with a higher voltage. 

In our case we do not care about the charge as we want a high voltage. (actually we want both.)

Ronnie talks about operating in air (dielectric being Hydrogen and Oxygen) but still needing leakage current to keep flux up and to polarize the water

 

which I believe requires there be some water in the cells
.
One of the reasons I brought this up is I have heard the reason many people stopped trying to make system work is they could not get enough voltage on the cells.

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some points

yes tune with air learn
2 water , we can consider that water is the medium to dissolve the gas
3 if we have too much gas we can rapidly expand with any static spark
4 we can add dbd layer
6 the 90degree angle of charge is important to understand or voltage goes through cell no magnetic effect
7 Voltage and static frequency doing work is left out of the physics hand  book
8 Stan Mentions in some lectures that the charge is what cause production during gate thus no other form of method can equal or match his as the electrons are release during off time as a result of on going charge and production during gate
so we must consider yes we do what both charge and voltage , it is up to us to learn rediscover and teach the skills of the art to make hold and grow both same time

9 a bubble layer on cell wall or dbd can be used.

Water Fuel Level control tank and Cell 2 in1 

we are making the system with color screens this will incorporate into the auto start board on gms unit m note the 2 sensors will be water proof and work different from each other one is running balancing of 1 or 2 water tanks , 

and 2nd is adjust the cell optimum water level no full or empty but optimum 2 cm range both are driven by a single smart synced circuit 

thank you for your support it helps us do this faster 

Dan 

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